Saturday, October 31, 2020

Questions Nov 2-4

GND -190

  • The big question today, Nov.4, is of course: how do you feel? And how does the climate future look to you now?
  • Are you ever called a "spoiled tree hugger who lacks a proper cause," or the like? What is (or would be) your response? 150
  • Were you aware of carbon offsets as a form of "green colonialism" and "green human rights abuses"? Should carbon offsets be repudiated entirely? 152
  • Do you agree that war, poverty, racism, and the climate crisis, and their remedies, are interconnected? 153
  •  What's the best way to confront and counter stereotyping, "othering," and "orientalism"? 155


  • Why don't we hear so much anymore about mountaintop removal? 156
  • COMMENT: "Growth is our religion, our way of life." 158
  • Is it a form of essentialism that lets capitalism, colonialism, and patriarchy "off the hook" to label this era the Anthropocene? 158-9
  • Is it enough to think seven generations ahead, to be a "good ancestor"? 
It's time for humankind to recognize a disturbing truth: we have colonized the future. In wealthy countries, especially, we treat it like a distant colonial outpost where we can freely dump ecological damage and technological risk as if there was nobody there... It could be hard to grasp the scale of this injustice, so look at it this way: There are 7.7 billion people alive today. That's just a tiny fraction of the estimated 100 billion people who have lived and died over the past 50,000 years. But both of these are vastly outnumbered by the nearly seven trillion people who will be born over the next 50,000 years, assuming current birth rates stabilize. In the next two centuries alone, tens of billions of people will be born, amongst them, all your grandchildren, and their grandchildren and the friends and communities on whom they'll depend. How will all these future generations look back on us and the legacy we're leaving for them? ...over the past decade, a global movement has started to emerge of people committed to decolonizing the future and extending our time horizons towards a longer now. This movement is still fragmented and as yet has no name. I think of its pioneers as time rebels. They can be found at work in Japan's visionary Future Design movement, which aims to overcome the short-term cycles that dominate politics by drawing on the principle of seventh generation decision making practiced by many Native Americans communities...How is it that other species have learned to survive and thrive for 10,000 generations or more? Well, it's by taking care of the place that would take care of their offspring, by living within the ecosystem in which they're embedded, by knowing not to foul the nest, which is what humans have been doing with devastating effects at an ever-increasing pace and scale over the past century... (transcript)


  • Any COMMENT on the "aridity line," the "brutal landscape of the climate crisis"? 162
  • COMMENT (with respect to the Paris Accords "lie," the "sacrifice zone mentality, and xenophobia generally):  "Home is everywhere on this planet." 165-168
  • Do you like Klein's definition of a green job? 179
  • Do you like Klein's reply to the charge that the Leap (or the GND) is too ambitious? 180
  • When Klein says "attempts to sever [indigenous] relationships to the land were so systematic," including schools and missionaries, does this imply to you a deliberate conspiracy or an just an unacknowledged and unexamined prejudice? 189 

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GND -148

  • Do the risks associated with any of the geoengineering ideas mentioned by Klein seem acceptable to you? 105
  • At what point in the next decade should we decide that it's too late to "change our behavior"? 109
  • Have we yet reached a point at which you think your being a "citizen" may soon require you to be arrested? 112
  • What kinds of "radical and immediate de-growth strategies" have a chance of working in the US? 115
  • How will we know that the current climate movement has become a "revolution"? 118


  • Klein says the climate crisis was hatched at the end of the 80s, but wasn't it already on the horizon at the beginning of the 70s with the first Earth Day etc.? What do you think prevented the earlier ecology movement from forestalling the era of deregulated capitalism? 120
  • Is there any way to free ourselves from being "trapped in the forever now" of social media (without actually giving up social media)? 121
  • What part does shopping play in forming our/your identity, community, and self-expression? 122
  • Is our culture still moving too fast for us to appreciate the urgency of climate action? 123
  • Do you attempt to discover the "abusive conditions under which [your] clothing and gadgets were manufactured," or do you try not to think about it? 126
  • Do you plan eventually to "stop somewhere" and really get to know it as your "homeplace"? 127-8

The concept of limitlessness is a fantasy, and so is the notion that we can have limitless economic growth. The concepts of enough and plenty have been replaced with “all you can get” and “all you can make.” The Thought of Limits in a Prodigal Age


"We don't have a right to ask whether we're going to succeed or not. The only thing we have a right to ask is, what's the right thing to do?"
  • Any comment on "Germany's energy transition"? 130
  • Is New York City on track to reach its 2025 climate goals?
  • Do you agree that you cannot do anything, as an "atomized individual," to change the world? 132-3
  • Have you supported a CSA program? What was your experience with it? 134
  • "Think globally and act locally": is that wrong? 135
  • Are all humans equally capable of "conversion," ecological or otherwise? 137f.
  • Revisiting the question of "stewardship," do you agree that it's more rooted in duty than in passion and love? 142-3
  • What does intersectionality mean to you? 148

7 comments:

  1. Comment on Wendell Berry: I did not know Wendell Berry, but I am very pleased to be introduced to him. I could not help but hear the voices of so many of the philosophers I have met here. His first words, that the only question we have a right to ask is what is the right thing to do, screams Plato to me. He delivers true words of wisdom in a soft Kentucky accent: the world and our life in it are conditional gifts;; leadership consists of people who simply see something that needs to be done and they start doing it, and take no thought for the morrow; giving thanks for precious things; make a good example; we don’t understand what it means to make a living; it means not to make a killing, but to have enough; the grounds for legitimate authentic grounds for hope: if you can find one good example, then you’ve got the grounds for hope; if you can change yourself, if you can make certain requirements for yourself that you can fulfill, then you have a reason for hope; the inspiration in his poetry, especially the poem on hope. What a voice.

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  2. At what point in the next decade should we decide that it's too late to "change our behavior"? 109

    I don't think that there is a point where we should give up trying. My reasoning for this is that even if the future looks too bleak, and it is almost certain that we are at the point of no return, there is always a chance that we are wrong. I think that if we do end up losing this battle, we should at least go down fighting. I hope that we never get to that point and that we start taking action sooner rather than later.

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  3. Do you agree that you cannot do anything, as an "atomized individual," to change the world? 132-3

    Completely by myself, I don't think that I can change the world. But, the truth is, every person has influence on other people. That means we do have the power in each of us to change behaviors in others, and collectively those changes do have an impact on the world (for better or worse). So, yes, I do think that I can change the world, so long as I don't fall under the illusion that it can be done alone.

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  4. "A part of our obligation to our own being and to our descendants is to study life and our conditions, searching always for the authentic underpinnings of hope." This simple statement from Berry answers those other questions pretty well.

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  5. * Do you agree that you cannot do anything, as an "atomized individual," to change the world? 132-3

    When I think of this question my mind goes to no. I think overall you cannot change the world as an atomized individual. The world is to big of a scope to impact on it on an individual bases. While you can affect things like laws and regulations, it’s still ultimately up to millions of other individuals to do whats right. On that bases I believe it can only be achieved as a collective group.

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  6. At what point in the next decade should we decide that it's too late to "change our behavior"? 109

    Ultimately, I do not think there will ever be a time where we would have to decide that it is too late to "change our behavior". However, I do believe that we will reach a point in which things will have to get to a certain level of bad, almost at the end of the road so to speak, where it will hopefully push more of us to start making a change in our individual lives.

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  7. “Nov.4: how do you feel? And how does the climate future look to you now.”

    Well, right now its Nov 6th , but I feel about the same as I did on Nov 4th which is that I feel like I’m holding my breath like everyone else. Its so odd to have such a close race. Biden is only leading Trump by 1,500 votes in Georgia and has a better lead in other key states, but the next step is undoubtedly going to be recounts in multiple states. Even if Biden’s lead is upheld and he wins the presidency, he is going to have lots of work to do to get our countries climate policy on track. First of all, the EPA is going to have to be rebuilt, and staffing and infrastructure changes don’t happen overnight. We’ll need to re-enter the Paris Climate Accord. Also, it’s not just the presidential race that will have a huge effect on our chances of changing our countries climate policy. The Green New Deal, or alternately the “Biden Plan” will be tough to pass without support in congress, and anything that looks to reduce our emissions and dependance on fossil fuels will be opposed. Its funny that environmental policy is such a partisan issue these days. You would think self-preservation would make it the one issue everyone could agree on, like they once did with pollution and recycling.

    11/6 This Post
    11/6 Comment on Carolin’s Post “It’s Not Too Late”
    11/6 Comment on Heather’s “Can We Kill Two Birds With One Stone?”
    Weekly Total:5
    Overall Total: 55

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